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Nyxie is panting and/or shivering lately. Previous lyme issue.

BijouK

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Hi, Nyxie 10 or 11 year old white pit mix has been having issues ever since she had lyme 2 years ago also tests show slightly low thyroid. The lyme disease was pretty debilitating when she had it, and she was always very sensitive to cold after that. She was also treated for hookworm with herbs around the same time. This past week she's, panting, shivering, got itchy skin, red tail gland, weepy eyes, she never had itchy skin before (I'm putting 10%ACV on her skin & coconut oil) She's eaten random dog poo a few times recently which has me concerned.

Over the summer I noticed a slight increase in shivering when cold or getting very excited to go outside, panting and shivering waiting for food or walks was too much for her. She would get so wound up she could barely control herself. I thought maybe we were just having more fun over the summer. Maybe she was too cold with the AC on or needs to be cuddled when it's cold. II keep it 75+ just a personal preference and shivering or panting always seemed specific to tempurature regulation or excitement. figured this is lyme or low thyroid so had a full panel done and she is borderline low thyroid.

So I took her on more walks to burn off the energy but now we've moved to Florida last month and the panting & shivering at inappropriate times is getting progressively worse especially this week and I'm getting worried she might be in underlaying pain possible GI. She can't just be constantly too hot-too cold. She sleeps fine at night with the heat off and it's cold down here. Again another reason I think it's food related. Feeding time is around noon. She gets her hour walk and few quick walks throughout the day or sitting outside. By evening she hasn't eaten all day, she's exercised and does not get wound up. She's usually absolutely fine as long as it's not too cold. This week things are different, & became more noticeable.

I decided to approach this from an elimination diet standpoint but I live 90 min away from any decent food so making do the best I can with what I have till I can go tomorrow to a health food store.

This morning I switched from org peanut butter to tahini in her toy, avocado & Golden Paste (for inflammation) as a snack, 1 S. Boulardii cap for gut microbiome. She was fine all day until I started cooking for her. Then she started shaking and panting again. So I let her out to pee. She came in, same thing, so I fed her the quinoa, hempseed & okra I made to see if that would settle her down and soothe her tummy. she was still shivering. I thought maybe Is it the stove that's making it too hot in here? I turn on the AC. She stoped panting and fell asleep. My other dog is not too hot. I made broccoli to add to the quinoa but I'm afraid to feed her anymore. Not sure if this is GI just want to rule it out if it is. She's pooping pretty normal.

She does not shiver outside no matter how cold it is. I feel like this is something she has always had! After the antibiotics for Lyme, she actually had better energy than ever so definitely something going on there beside lyme.

Update: Woke from nap. Not hungry, sat nice for food. No shivering or panting so I gave her the cooked broccoli.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
 
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Hi Bijou!

I'm super sorry to hear about Nyxie's health challenges.

It sounds like something is sapping her cellular energy.

Working with a virtual vet homeopath is a great next step.


Speaking with a professional animal communicator may also be helpful.

 
Thank you. What do you mean by cellular energy? Can you please give me some examples?
What can I do from home to approach this till I can afford to see another vet?

Does any of this sound familiar? Like GI or allergies? Lyme or thyroid? Or am I way off?
 
I agree with both Dr. Jeff's suggestions - but my first thought is that she needs a more canine-appropriate diet: meat, and less carbs. This should also help with the thyroid levels. This needn't be health-food level stuff; even supermarket beef, lamb, etc. will be OK for starters. But a decent pet store should have healthy freeze-dried nuggets, 95% meat products, etc. Raw eggs would be a nice addition, too. There is a lot of info in our archives on feeding appropriately. About the only way you can majorly screw up a dog's diet is to NOT feed meat, IMO.
I would also get a blood test of her thyroid levels; low T is perhaps even more common in the bully breeds. Treatment/supplementation is cheap and easy and will make a huge difference in this aging girl. Fix the diet, the thyroid, and look into homeopathy (how is her vaccine status?), and you will have a new dog:)
 
I agree with both Dr. Jeff's suggestions - but my first thought is that she needs a more canine-appropriate diet: meat, and less carbs. This should also help with the thyroid levels. This needn't be health-food level stuff; even supermarket beef, lamb, etc. will be OK for starters. But a decent pet store should have healthy freeze-dried nuggets, 95% meat products, etc. Raw eggs would be a nice addition, too. There is a lot of info in our archives on feeding appropriately. About the only way you can majorly screw up a dog's diet is to NOT feed meat, IMO.
I would also get a blood test of her thyroid levels; low T is perhaps even more common in the bully breeds. Treatment/supplementation is cheap and easy and will make a huge difference in this aging girl. Fix the diet, the thyroid, and look into homeopathy (how is her vaccine status?), and you will have a new dog:)
Thank you. However I work with a vegan vet too and many other healthy vegan dogs so I know that without a specific issue, saying meat is the answer is not addressing the issue. You also have bio-accumulation to account for and my other other dog is unable to process any animal proteins except kangaroo (he is very healthy especially for his age)so I can't afford cross contamination or kangaroo at this time. Nitro's kidney issue was immediately resolved with the vitamin c Dr Jeff recommended. As I mentioned above she had a full panel thyroid test recently. Her titers were low and I do not intend to revaccinate.
 
What do you mean by cellular energy?
Does any of this sound familiar?
Yes, it sounds very, very familiar!

These symptoms can result from any of the physiological changes you mentioned. You would need to do more diagnostics to get a conventional diagnosis.

However, you may want to address her cellular energy balance first. There are many ways to do this in addition to homeopathy, acupuncture and ayurveda. They all harness the healing of love, spirit and happiness and are quick, fun and easy!

You may want to learn more about this approach starting with the HA! 101 course, last night's webinar and much, much more like:





 
Thank you very much Dr Jeff I'll go through it this afternoon. It was a pleasure speaking with you a couple months ago. I only wish I had better sleep the week before. It's quiet where I moved! Maybe I will do another phone consult in Jan with you.
Enjoy your day!
 
You're welcome Bijou!


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Hi Dr Jeff,
Nyxie was doing excellent since last year thanks to you & the forum. Unfortunately she recently got very sick from eating acorns we believe & this intertwined with lymes triggering lyme flareup & lameness today.

Shes seen a wonderful new vet tues Kingsley in Jacksonville & he gave her fluids & cerenia 2 days ago. Im waiting to hear back about another appointment.

She was great yesterday then jumped off my high bed this morning & faltered her wrist is swollen but thats not all. This afternoon shes going lame. Couldn't potty. So I carried her back in. Gave another dose of Japanese knotweed, cats claw, androgenics. Micro C, omegas, a little Golden Paste, rescue remedy, i have MyCommunity Host Defense but a little nervous to cause more upset stomach with so many mushrooms in the blend but I might try some when she wakes up. Shes stable now. Ive seen her start to go lame once before and the combo of Japanese knotweed/cats claw/androgenex cleared that right up in one dose.

I need a little support. I cant afford all the supplements in the lyme protocol but want to make sure im headed in the right direction, would like to do this naturally if possible & would appreciate your supoort.
 
I have a tendency to not recommend "Protocols" for anything, since each of us is unique.
You said you were working with Dr. Jeff. Is he your homeopathic veterinarian (or did you just mean through 15 minute calls with HA?). If he is your homeopathic veterinarian, you will probably not need all those supplements. If he is not your homeopathic veterinarian, you need one.

Right now, send love and energy healing. Listen to Kathleen Prasad's webinars.

Dr. Christina
 
Nyxie was doing excellent since last year thanks to you & the forum.
Fantastic! Yay Nyxie!! :snowman: :snowman::dog2:

recently got very sick from eating acorns
What did her body "show" us after being triggered by the acorns?

How long did this acute episode last (or are the same symptoms still continuing?)?

Japanese knotweed, cats claw, androgenics. Micro C, omegas, a little Golden Paste, rescue remedy,
Grape seed extract and Japanese knotweed were among the first supplements I "prescribed" back in the eighties.

Before I knew about the information that is the basis for what Christina mentioned.

That is, less is more. And that food or supplements used to reduce symptoms usually palliate (cover up symptoms requiring continued use). Without helping the body address the underlying dis-ease.

AW's protocols appear to help the body do both (heal the symptoms and the inner imbalance).

Along of course with SOC.

In addition, optimizing the bodies natural healing mechanisms is what homeopathy does. However it's based on individuality rather than protocols.

The founder of Homeopathy Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann seems to have also gotten his system from SOC.

What Hahnemann brought us has saved millions of lives:


 
I need a little support. I cant afford all the supplements in the lyme protocol but want to make sure im headed in the right direction, would like to do this naturally if possible & would appreciate your supoort.
That's exactly why we're here.

And the new good news is that we're saying that you don't need the expensive supplements. They add up.

Less is more.

Focus instead on Nyxie's happiness, what she loves to do and what seems to give her the greatest sense of purpose.
 
I second the advice to stick with classical homeopathy - and I would "get there" by cleaning out all those other supplements and food adjuncts. A big "don't go there..." for the Cerenia, too. She needs to show you, and you need to stand back and observe. I don't get the sense she is in mortal danger, and I would back off, feed lovely whole food, and quietly love the heck out of her and await guidance - from her - on how much to "interfere" just now. Her case, to me, will respond best to a carefully chosen and conservatively dosed single remedy, which a competent classical homeopath can determine. Feel free to ask more, but I think she'll show us quite clearly how best to help.
 
Thank you for all the wonderful replies. Ill try to get to all of them


What did her body "show" us after being triggered by the acorns?

How long did this acute episode last (or are the same symptoms still continuing?)?
First symptoms are gone. Lasted 2&1/2 days. My first thought from experience of her projectile vomiting was partial bowel obstruction. She 💩 so my 2nd thought Lepto (kiddie pool water) or nibbled on something toxic/parasitic from our dog run. We live under lots of oak trees. Best guess is neighbors dog got sick from acorns. Cerenia & fluids she was fine for 30 hrs. Evolved into swollen wrist, then lameness. I bought Ledum but upon going thru the files here my guess she should either be on Arcrnicum or Byronia ( excuse my spellings) health food store opens in a minute so im headed over to get both.


Before I knew about the information that is the basis for what Christina mentioned.
I only found the doctor Dr Christina mentioned under reiki which im attempted to use, please tell me if I missed something ?
That is, less is more. And that food or supplements used to reduce symptoms usually palliate (cover up symptoms requiring continued use). Without helping the body address the underlying dis-ease.
I agree! Im just trying to get her thru the night & creating some of the blends that were recommended to me from what I always have on hand. Shes excessively shaking & panting on and off 24hrs & lameness but can stand to pee. I have to carry her down steps but my hips are recovering from an auto accident. I ordered Vibactra per the recorded zoom call.
AW's protocols appear to help the body do both (heal the symptoms and the inner imbalance).Along of course with SOC.
Who is AW & SOC?
The founder of Homeopathy Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann seems to have also gotten his system from SOC.

What Hahnemann brought us has saved millions of lives:

[QUOTE="Dr. Jeff, post: 63338, mem...thyschool.org/samuel-hahnemanns-life/[/QUOTE]
Thank you i will open links and respond after I close tab on my phone
 
And begin to work with a veterinary homeopath, Dr Jeff if you worked with him before.
Dr. Christina
She has an appointment today at Kingsley about an hour away in Jacksonville. They have homeopathic vets on staff & they all seem to work together fingers 🤞
 
I second the advice to stick with classical homeopathy - and I would "get there" by cleaning out all those other supplements and food adjuncts. A big "don't go there..." for the Cerenia, too. She needs to show you, and you need to stand back and observe. I don't get the sense she is in mortal danger, and I would back off, feed lovely whole food, and quietly love the heck out of her and await guidance - from her - on how much to "interfere" just now. Her case, to me, will respond best to a carefully chosen and conservatively dosed single remedy, which a competent classical homeopath can determine. Feel free to ask more, but I think she'll show us quite clearly how best to help.
Thank you. Cerenia was given already when we thought she had a bowel obstruction. Not a fan of drugs but also not worth the risk. I held out as long as I could.
Shes totally lame & swollen wrist & in pain. Things evolved rapidly. Ive had excellent one dose luck with the Japanese knotweed/cats claw/androgenes (sp)combo in the past but this time it didnt help. Scary when you dont know what else to do. KingsleyVet hospital, her current vet appt today, has a homeopathic vet on staff maybe two of them. Im running to health food store to get Arcrnicum & Byronia soon & hopefully someone here can help me choose between the two. Maybe I can skip the appointment all together. I cant carry her im recovering from a car accident & thats an hour drive to Jacksonville 🤷🏼‍♀️
 
Fantastic! Yay Nyxie!! :snowman: :snowman::dog2:


What did her body "show" us after being triggered by the acorns?

How long did this acute episode last (or are the same symptoms still continuing?)?


Grape seed extract and Japanese knotweed were among the first supplements I "prescribed" back in the eighties.

Before I knew about the information that is the basis for what Christina mentioned.

That is, less is more. And that food or supplements used to reduce symptoms usually palliate (cover up symptoms requiring continued use). Without helping the body address the underlying dis-ease.

AW's protocols appear to help the body do both (heal the symptoms and the inner imbalance).

Along of course with SOC.

In addition, optimizing the bodies natural healing mechanisms is what homeopathy does. However it's based on individuality rather than protocols.

The founder of Homeopathy Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann seems to have also gotten his system from SOC.

What Hahnemann brought us has saved millions of lives:


 
The best way for you to help Nyxie is to stay calm, not panic, not give any more homeopathic medicines until under the care of a certified veterinary homeopath. Send love. think positive. Breathe a lot.

From the article on finding and working with holistic vets is some guidance to help you at your appointment today.

You Are in Charge – Make Sure She/he Is Following Good Holistic Principles. What you have learned at Holistic Actions - avoid treating merely the symptom (bandaid approach), instead focus on the whole and re-balance the energy field - is not always followed by holistic vets and technicians (it is the tech who has had a little training in homeopathy.

come to the appointment with a timeline of recent and past events and all the treatments given. Then continue with:
  • Keep a dated journal of any problems, even little ones.
  • Write down any treatments given. Using the Healthy Animal’s Journal will help you know if your animal is merely getting temporary help or is really progressing to a deep cure.
  • Contact them if you are unable to give the treatments or your pet does not want them.
  • Call if symptoms worsen, or they are less energetic and less happy, or you have concerns.
  • Keep working on a regular basis until your animal is in GREAT HEALTH.
  • Thank them.
Hopefully they will do the following:
  • She/he will always ask about the history, overall energy, what might have caused the current problem, the environment and what makes the symptoms better or worse.
  • If they seem to be only focused on the lameness, remind them you want to have a healthy dog, not merely stop one symptom.
  • Their physical exam will be gentle, complete and they will show you (you may need to ask) what they mean by “gingivitis, big lymph nodes, heart murmur”, etc.
  • If they push a lot of tests, you can say no. Ask why for each one. Many are suggested that do not help with the treatments.
  • They will be willing to answer your questions and explain why they are recommending a particular treatment.Ask a lot of questions and write down their answers. Do not be shy. Ask until you understand.
  • If they recommend conventional treatments (antibiotics, prednisone, etc.) they will explain to you why they choose this over holistic, and give you a chance to request the more holistic treatment.
  • They will not do anything (vaccinate, treat) without asking you first.
  • They will recommend fewer or no vaccinations and a raw meat or at least more holistic diet. They will be open to you having a different opinion.
  • They will schedule follow up appointments until your animal is really healthy, with great BEAM (behavior, energy, appetite and mood) and none of the Early Warning Signs of Internal Imbalance.
After your visit, you may realize you need to work with an AVH certified veterinary homeopath. Or you may be thrilled with how they run the practice.

Dr. Chambreau
 
Im at a crossroads here given all the information. My dogs & cats have always only seen homeopathic vets for the past 30 some years. I work closely with Dr Segrera in NOLA for most of that time. Shes very busy too & this fell on her days off (sun/mon) so when Nixie was unable to hold down anything even with Nux vomica 30c. Spent 48nhrs feeding teaspoons of water & pedialite every 20 min praying 🙏I had to take her in. Ive dealt with plenty of bowel obstructions to know its time sensitive. Luckily I found Kingsley vet They lean natural holistic & have a homeopathic on staff. Not sure wjth my emergency appt at 230 today who ill be getting but they work together.

So heres my issue: Im seeing in the files that Vibactra was used successfully so I ordered it , arrives today & did the best I could with what I have on hand to get her thru the night & myself. Im sleep deprived (again 😆) bc Nixie needed the remedy 3 times last night, I made up to calm the pain & swelling so we could both rest. Im confused which homeopathic formula to use & 🤔 & think Byronia or Arcrnicum is the answer but to be honest the symptoms seem vague to me & I understand herbalism better. I dont have confidence to choose homeopathic remedies like I do diet & supplements. Idk when Dr Jeff is available or for how much that would have been my first pick so I had to make the emergency appointment at Kingsley & especially since this may require a splint on her wrist. Although today it looks much better! Red light & arnica for the win! Theres some scary stuff on the internet about lyme & joint fluid & i live close to an exceptional emergency vet in st augustine but they are not in any way homeopathic.
 
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