• Your logins to the main site and to this support forum are NOT the same. To get access to this forum, you must be a ALL-ACCESS member (register here). You will receive login information the day you register. If you have problems logging in to the forum, please use the Contact us form. First time posting? Watch this video and Follow this posting guide

Is our cat by any chance savable?

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
Cat NALA
10 years
Girl
probably sterilized (or castrated, but not chemically)
Abyssinian
Now probably 2.6 kg? used to be 3.4 kg?


1. BEAM
B: Sleeps excessively.
E: Low energy, much less than before. She is usually high energy. Interacts less with us, but will still show affection by stamping her claws and purring at night.
A: Has had long periods of not eating or drinking for the last 2 months. Then she may eat or drink almost excessively. We have provided some shots with 5 ml of pharmacy saline water to help her at times. Now we mix water with food, she hardly drinks water. Finally got her into boiled fish, so she drinks the water (suspect she reacts to pure water with pain (her lips are swollen+ suspected recent toothloss?).
M: Always in a good mood, never hurt or defend against anyone but cats. Now she has less to give, and seldom her normal curiosity. She used to mark with urine inside the house, that has stopped now. Now she may be hard to get to interact. (When she was healthier, she was very often in heat, even though she was sterilized approx 7 years ago, before we got her. She reacted to my hormones, and would run out and allow male cats).

Diet:
I have tried to keep it all canned (since she got so sick), not kibble. But vets pushed me into their brands (with wheat). Last 5 years I have tried to go organic, grain free. She is not always agreeing with the taste, Esp now, bc of loss of smell
Now she takes an interest in boiled fish (cod), and I give the water with it.. (she prob broke some teeth when it was undercooked).
Have tried to give her lamb freeze dried kibbles from Ziwi, but she never liked it. Forunately she now take their venison canned. Have tried some raw meat but she will not eat.

3. Vaccinated for many things the first 4 years, till we got her. Nothing since.
Antibiotics a few times, lastly a few weeks ago for 10 days.

4. Problem
Respiratory infections, Both upper and lower. + eye infection
Liver boarding failure? (she had not been eating or drinking for about a week at test time)
+ Some infection in female parts or UTI? greenish/ slimy after urinating sometimes
Severe rash on abdomen: most of the hair on abdomen are lost now, but she felt sweaty and almost slimy before she licked them of? (possibly from dehydrated sputum?), the skin on abdomen seems wrinkled, contracted and more or less red spots or marbled red. Also under front legs. She cleans these excessively + the face, but not much other is maintained.
Eyes, nose and mouth gets a dark/ blackish crust-like outline when she has slept and it has hardened. It seems more greenish when fresh.

Possible causations: In February it was very cold, and she was in "heat", going out all day and night (she had a flapdoor). We were also renovating, so she was breathing in isolation particles, dust etc in a "messy" environment as a stressor. First contact with veterinarian beginning of march Eyes+ cold symptoms: he thought it was Feline Herpes

4: Modalities: Her body is stiff when starting to move, and seems to be better when she has moved a little. (she lies a lot, so it seems natural) Can get cold/ shiver Esp from eating or drinking. I believe she is constitutionally sensitive to reproach, she used to somewhat close down if something emotionally unexpected happened, and seemed almost to be in psychosis, (got a stiff look).
If we can get her to eat and drink that ofcourse has helped, now that she has suffered from dehydration. If she don't, she probably get nauseated and ill not eat or drink.

She is sneezing violently, to remove the coryza. she stuffs more up when sleeping.

She likes the sun, heat, being packed in a blanket. But still I often wake up with her above the blanket, so she possibly heats up.
She seems better in the evening (is Medorrhinum ok for cats..?). she will now often eat the most early morning and in the evening.
She usually loves being mesmerized, stoked etc, nut now she seems to be a little more anxious on our intemts. She may shun down a little if we raise our hands towards her to pet. She still may lie on my arm as we sleep, and enjoy some stroking but not as often anymore. She tends to hide in the bottom of the duvet more often.

5. Diagnosis?
She was at a vet probably a month ago. He recommended putting her down, due to dehydration, struggling liver and the infection, combined with her age. She is such a good cat, I could not do it without giving my best to trying to resolve as much as possible for her. He suspected mycoplasma bacteria, and another vet before that suspected Feline Herpes virus.
Me myself am wondering if the abdomen/ chest skinrash may be related to a vasculitis of the skin? Vet meant it was a reaction to clumping of hair. She was severely aggravated since/ might be from the antibiotics.

Vet said she had upper and lower resp infection. She has had a lot of coryza (yellowish or green), thick.
She only just today started coughing, or is it retching. It goes deep, tongue out, and long, sawing or barking sounds, with perceived sound og fluids moving in the chest at the end.

Half a week after, with lots of fluid, he said it was a whole different cat! but we have struggled to keep her from declining again. And some symptoms have changed since then.

6. She got an antibiotics treatment for 10 days.
I have used homeopathy myself on her, chosen from apparent symptoms. Phos always seems to do her good, but last out was:
Sepia c 30, 2 days ago. I would say she had all things considered a very good few hours in evening yesterday. She was attentive, curious, meowing in anticipation of food. But now she is coughing, but she might be gaining the energy to try to remove the irritants?

Other remedies recently given in only one dose:
Phos: highly colored urine, her communicative nature/ openness
Ars: loss of appetite, fur is clumping and skin seems thickened
Rhus t: eyeeruption
Puls: had desire to be outside, her loving nature
Arn: hip was rolling/moving strangely. Also suspected toothloss.

7
other healthconcerns
Urniary: She has had problems with cystitis. Once, years ago she only dripped blood, not urinating: Cantharis and probably antibiotics.
I have had to help her urinate at times, and she has often been more spraying than urinating. (unsure if staph has been given). Urine is highly colored, and now it has blood at. the end of the stream. She has had pain in the end of the stream, I believe, she has had episodes of hiding or running after urine, a few weeks ago.

Loss of some teeth: malnutrition/dehydration or tartar build up recently?

Now her body seems staler/ stiff, and she has some trouble jumping up /down on furniture sometimes.

I am hoping to have our sweet cat around for some good more years, if it is doable. She seems to be in some pain now, but more awake it seems. She is also seeking contact: If from pain and comfort, or from interest, I can not know. As a true Abbysinian, she was just standing on my boyfriends neck, but she is a little more unsteady than usual. Is it best to just give in to the vets recommandation, or can I assume her quality of life might be gaining?

She is very up and down in overall symptoms. Cleverly, she had a bit of a flare on Friday after vets office hours. But yesterday she seemed somewhat to be picking up in energy;-) Now she has more symptoms in the movement of the body, but more energy to communicate and interact. That might be a good sign, I believe;-)
 
Last edited:

Dr. Jeff

Administrator
Moderator
Veterinarian
Joined
Feb 23, 2017
Messages
3,820
Welcome to HA! Kristino and I'm super sorry to hear about Nala (which was also my kitty "Aviva's" name when we adopted her).🙏♥️😢

Wow, she's got a lot going on!

The first things I would consider are whether your have consulted a vet internist in Norway (?) or a vet homeopath (you can do virtual consults to anywhere in the world)? If you haven't, you may want to do so.

Managing both the conventional as well as the energetic (homeopathic) aspects of a complex case like hers deserves professional attention.

E: Low energy, much less than before. She is usually high energy. Interacts less with us, but will still show affection by stamping her claws and purring at night.
In my opinion, this is the underlying cause for all her other symptoms. When you correct her deficit of cellular energy, she should return to her normal (*if* her body is still able to do so).
Me myself am wondering if the abdomen/ chest skinrash may be related to a vasculitis of the skin?
Yes! Vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels) is involved to some degree in all of her physiologic symptoms. It would tie them all together (but won't change the choice of homeopathic medicines to use).

Definitive conventional diagnoses (like vasculitis) are usually best made by a board certified vet specialist.
she might be gaining the energy to try to remove the irritants?
Probably not IMHO.

I am hoping to have our sweet cat around for some good more years, if it is doable.
Yes!
She seems to be in some pain now, but more awake it seems.
I think we (people) have a harder time with pain and (our) suffering than animals do. Primarily because they are not interpreting their pain signals using the negative biased brain that people have.


She is also seeking contact:

That seems like a huge modality shift! When did she start seeking comfort?
Is it best to just give in to the vets recommandation, or can I assume her quality of life might be gaining?
Great, and super important, question! Thanks for asking Kristino.🙏😻
She is very up and down in overall symptoms.
That's her dynamic equilibrium talking!!⚖️


Now she has more symptoms in the movement of the body, but more energy to communicate. That might be a good sign, I believe;-)

YES!
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
Thank you Jeff.

We are 4 persons here thinking she looks to be doing better today, so I think she must be picking up. I thank you for calming me on the pain issue, cause I still think she has some more to go on! Also, are there any signs to watch out for that the animals "need" euthanasia, or do we do best in just supporting our furry friends as best as we can while they are still alive🥸?

Have found ourselves being a little reluctant about vet-visits due to the last experience;-0

There are not so many homeopaths of animals in Norway, but I think know of someone abroad from my studies at Vithoulkas`. Not sure If she is a vet, though. Are there someone who is trained in both?

As to when she started to connect better, is esp the two last days. Sep seemed to have given an initial physical aggravation, but to possibly correct something energetically, so I am hopeful.

But did I understand you correctly; you were hesitant about her begining to cough now; like that that might be a aggravation of constitution, or a "new" condition on the rise, rather than an initial aggravation from the remedy, that allows the vital force to get the problem out in the open? I know it is a very big question, and that you have not seen her, but I just want to make sure I understand your experience the correct way, please;-)

Thanks
 
Last edited:

Dr. Jeff

Administrator
Moderator
Veterinarian
Joined
Feb 23, 2017
Messages
3,820
You're welcome Kristino.
Also, are there any signs to watch out for that the animals "need" euthanasia, or do we do best in just supporting our furry friends as best as we can while they are still alive🥸?
Great question! I'd base the euthanasia decision on age of the pet, BEAM score and prognosis (which is based on diagnosis and conventional treatment and not what the body is able to do when energetically stimulate, e.g. by homeopathy).

Are there someone who is trained in both?

Yes! And you can consult with us from anywhere in the world.


But did I understand you correctly; you were hesitant about her begining to cough

Her improving BEAM is more important than cough, or any other symptom in my opinion.

 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
Thank you so much for the call, and the help we got, it helped a lot! We have implemented the freeze-dried foods, but she did not like turkey much, she took beef with an appetite for several days, though. Not anymore. But she will have cream and water if t has fish in it (she will take very little of the fish). She also took some chicken broth with the dreid beef 2 days ago. From yesterday she will not take meat anymore, she turns away. Not sure if she has an aversion to meat or chicken broth, though? I am thinking: Medical medium says that both chicken and milk products can feed the viruses?

The day we spoke, I had given Lycopodium, since the liver is affected, and a book about horses recommended it for lungs and liver combined. She also has had a tendency to eat less in daytime, and sleep more as well. It gave an initial aggravation, but seemed to help more the next day. Ofcourse, I had also done more love "work" on her as you had recommended.

Thuja c30 was given the 3rd day after lyc, and it seemed to continue the help, with the fur, appetite etc for 1-2 days, she was also more present. Her presence all the time before she got sick was bigger than any cat I have felt, but when she got sick, it disappeared. After Thuja, I could feel some of it again. But yesterday she was very sleepy, hiding in her cave all the time, even if we take her out, she returns ASAP. I suspect that she is very cold, she is very skinny. and also has little or no fur on her belly. (She got some leftovers of the thujawater the next day also, but it might have been too exposed to the sun, not sure if it was potent).

To summarize Nala this morning:
Lies in her cave. Returns quickly if removed. Cold if exposed to air/draft?
Drank some cream + macrelwater
Will purr some, but not easily. She had crawled all the way to the border of her cave this morning, (as close to me as she could). Seemed somewhat relaxed. (Is she perhaps"made of glass"?)
Lies mostly in loaf position, legs crossed before chest
She is awake, and will let me wash her face with some light resistance, but not very interacting.

Without considering this case, I am wondering; do we give nosodes, like psorinum or Tub to cats?
Considering this case: For repeating a remedy, is it best to make a C30+1 or Lm, if I don't t have 6 or 12?
I would like to try thuja a little further, seeing it has done so much. Silica or Hep might possibly be on the rise, since she seems so cold?

Grateful for the opportunity to ask and the support we got during the call; It can be a lonely road to take, when we belive in the life-force, and the bodys ability to heal and come back from disease.
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
So happy to report that she was up and about for a while today, giving love, begging for our snacks etc. She is definitely picking up :). No more remedy for now, thank you anyway
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
A question about feeding of a cat with few teeth: can she have raw fish or meat?
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
UPDATE:
Today she is having symptoms of liver/gallbladder: Lightcolored diarrhea and vomiting. She doesn't seem sure if there is more stool on the way after straining, and a few minutes after stool.

She still seeks to be warm. She is much better after thuja: one c 30 and a few doses of d 6. Her energy is better after thuja, she is awake and eats (but picky), Even now she did drink some macrel infused water, but left the fish.
Any suggestions, Please;)
 

Dr. Jeff

Administrator
Moderator
Veterinarian
Joined
Feb 23, 2017
Messages
3,820
You're right Aruna! Sorry to miss your questions Kristino.

A question about feeding of a cat with few teeth: can she have raw fish or meat?
Yes, no teeth is no problem! Raw fish from a good, clean reliable source is OK. If it's not, then lightly poached, frozen, etc. is safer to help avoid parasites.
She is much better after thuja: one c 30 and a few doses of d 6

Maybe make up a cup of 6c + water. Give a dose, after 10 succussions of the cup if needed (based on BEAM and any characteristic, 4P, symptom).

INFOGRAPHICS 4 p's.jpeg
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
So you still recon thuja is best indicated? I wonder if it is shifting.. I have given her some thuja d6 drops to her mouth now. we will see if she gets up soon.
 

Dr. Jeff

Administrator
Moderator
Veterinarian
Joined
Feb 23, 2017
Messages
3,820

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
Now I am worried again : she seems to get light colored stool and diarrhea from chicken. We tried again and now she seemed to have fresh blood coated all around her stool. (wiping her afterwards did not give much color).

She seemed to do well with several doses of Thuja d6 3 days ago. Yesterday she seemed better. Today she has eaten often, and also a lot in the morning/day. She was more picky in the evening, so I gave her some dry food in chicken broth (she ate 4-5 pebbles). Now we are at midnight here. I have been unsure if she is gaining some weight back weight or mostly being bloated from the liver. She seems bigger on the liverside, like possibly her backleg is being pushed out while sitting..?

She was anticipating her food earlier today, but she will mostly eat and sleep; perhaps lay in loaf position somewhat attentive. Her nose seems pretty stuffed: so I have to open it; she uses a lot of energy breathing.
Therefore, I suspect; she likes to lay with head high.

I have wondered if there have been blood around stool before, possibly the light stool displays it better.

What to do; please.. Can I help her get better?

Kristin
 

Dr. Jeff

Administrator
Moderator
Veterinarian
Joined
Feb 23, 2017
Messages
3,820
What to do; please.. Can I help her get better?
Yes! You definitely can help her body work at its' best to recover as nature intends.

How's her BEAM? Was there any change in it when you were giving the Thuja?
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
Yes, she eats better and is usually more alert/awake. But it only last a day or two, so I have tried giving her remedy every day at the moment. The first day after many doses, her coryza got more pale/fresh, but only for a day.

Yesterday her appetite in morning/daytime was through the roof: chicken or fish every other hour in quantities.

Behaviour: She is more up and awake, but sits with crummed back and her stomach held high. Suspect she has pain in her stomach region.

Energy: Better for while, then she will have much sleep. But she did not want to go outside for two days. She is a little groggy while starting to walk still. Her fur is better looking; more air and fluff again.

Now: She is still hungry; She ate Fish one of 2 times offered tonight, but now she is picky at 9 o clock. (ended up eating a little bit of freeze-dried oxe and fish. (Chicken leg soup is probably just good fresh?, she will not have it even reheated next day)

Mood: She will cuddle some times at nighttime, but usually she just lays on her selected spots /usually same room as me. In sun if possible. She was purring some yesterday night, but she had not done that for days.

Her doses of thuja has decreased: yesterday I just gave her a big drop through a vial in mouth. (she does not drink water).

She went to toilet now: definitely blood on stool. Dark red/ burgundy.
Her urine is also a bright somewhat dark color in orange.
 

Dr. Jeff

Administrator
Moderator
Veterinarian
Joined
Feb 23, 2017
Messages
3,820
Chicken leg soup is probably just good fresh?, she will not have it even reheated next day)
Yes! Many cats want food fresh (and don't like it as much when reheated).
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
Is fish and chicken enough for her many days in a row? She doesn't like the freeze-dried ox much as of now. Does chicken have enough taurine? (She suddenly ate all the leftover chicken, and wanted more.) Both fish and chicken thighs are from frozen.
 

Dr. Jeff

Administrator
Moderator
Veterinarian
Joined
Feb 23, 2017
Messages
3,820
Is fish and chicken enough for her many days in a row? She doesn't like the freeze-dried ox much as of now. Does chicken have enough taurine?
I would not be too concerned about the lack of variety over a few days/weeks.

Regarding taurine, I believe the amount in dark meat chicken meets AAFCO requirements. You might also want to try freeze-dried chicken/turkey/duck hearts.

However, cat diet and AAFCO (which is a US pet food regulatory body Kristin) expert @Dr. Jean probably could answer your questions much better than I.
 

Kristinø

All Access Member
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Messages
28
I accidentally fed her spafghettisuce with onion, before realizing I had read about not feeding that to cats. Searched the internet now and onion shows toxicity to cat, causing anemia and weakening the liver. What to do? it also had some garlic and garlic powder: Dr Christina, Dr Jane, Dr Jeff.
 
Last edited:

Weekly Digest

Weekly Digest
Subscribe/Unsubscribe

Members online

No members online now.

Latest posts

Top Bottom